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AI Is Rewriting the Rules of Business | James Edgell on INsights & Straight Talk

Watch SoftEXIT founder James Edgell join Rodd Duff and Producer Barbie on INsights & Straight Talk to discuss how AI is changing the economics of entrepreneurship and helping small businesses build useful software. The conversation explores affordable no-code platforms, testing, customer databases, and the future of software jobs.

Show: INsights & Straight Talk  ·  Host: Rodd Duff  ·  Guest: James Edgell, Founder of SoftEXIT  ·  Podcast release: October 4, 2026  ·  Video runtime: Approximately 1 hour, 54 minutes

About this podcast episode

In this episode of INsights & Straight Talk, Rodd Duff talks with SoftEXIT founder James Edgell about the opportunities and challenges of AI-driven entrepreneurship. They explore how tools that once required large budgets and development teams may be accessible to small companies and independent founders.

James explains the difference between generating custom source code and configuring applications on an established platform. The interview also covers business processes, customer data, software testing, how AI may change the workforce, and practical ways entrepreneurs can begin experimenting with technology.

Topics covered in the interview

  • Reducing the cost and complexity of business software for entrepreneurs.
  • AI-assisted application configuration versus generating and maintaining custom code.
  • Using connected databases to manage customers, contracts, and follow-up dates.
  • Why AI-generated systems still need testing and responsible oversight.
  • How software jobs, smaller firms, and business automation could evolve.

Episode details

Podcast
INsights & Straight Talk

Host
Rodd Duff; featuring Producer Barbie

Guest
James Edgell, Founder of SoftEXIT

Podcast release
October 4, 2026

Video runtime
Approximately 1 hour, 54 minutes

Three takeaways for entrepreneurs

Access is changing

AI and configurable platforms may let small companies pursue projects that formerly required substantial development budgets.

Use the right kind of AI

James explains why configuring an established application platform differs from asking AI to regenerate a codebase—and why testing still matters.

Start with business processes

Customer records, upcoming deadlines, inventory, and follow-ups are practical examples of processes that can benefit from better data.

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00:00 Now [music] this has been an experience of amazement

00:08 to me.

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00:28 appreciate all your support. And with that, producer Barbie and I are out. [music]

00:38 Welcome to Insights and Straight Talk. I am uh Rodd Duff alongside producer

00:45 Barbie. And and today we're going to talk about something that I believe is

00:51 much bigger than artificial intelligence. Yeah, believe it or not,

00:57 we're going to talk about access because for most of my business career,

01:05 if you had a an idea for a piece of software, a system that could make your company

01:12 faster, uh solve a customer problem, automate a uh a process, or maybe even

01:19 uh become a business of its own, well, you needed something elseh

01:27 money, right? Programmers, developers, uh what do you got? You got consultants,

01:34 you got months, you got eternity, sometimes years and years of

01:39 development. And if you were a small business, small business owner or a entrepreneur sitting

01:47 at the kitchen table with a great idea, you might never get past the great idea.

01:55 Um, AI may be changing that equation.

02:02 Hold on to that right there. AI. So that equation that equation of needing all that money

02:09 may be changing. AI is doing that. All right. Now hold on to that. We were

02:15 just talking about it. It's important man. The money difference is huge.

02:21 And if [sighs] if it is if it is changing that equation

02:27 that could have enormous consequences for for entrepreneurs and for for the

02:34 great middle class as a whole. My guest today has watched technology

02:40 evolve from inside several very very large organizations

02:46 and and he has also experienced um what it means to build something from from

02:53 the ground up. James Edgell is a technology executive,

02:59 entrepreneur, product builder and founder of soft

03:05 exit. His career has included IBM, right? Deloitte and McDonald's along with

03:14 startups, social networks, largecale technology projects and engineering

03:21 organizations. Today he's building an AI enabled

03:28 business application platform designed around a fascinating idea. we

03:34 were talking. I I've been I just been fighting. You know, the last show I was just on, I was fighting my bit to get

03:39 over here and talk to James because I've got a bunch of ideas about this thing.

03:45 Uh but that's what we're going to learn more about today. So, what if you could, you know, this is the thing that

03:51 fascinates me. I mean, what if you could describe what your business needs in ordinary

03:58 language and technology could help turn that idea

04:03 into a to an application, a business application.

04:09 Think about what that could mean. I mean, fascinating. Not not only for software

04:16 developers, for for the restaurant owner, right? for the manufacturer, for

04:22 the contractor, the in the independent consultant,

04:27 you know, the person starting a company in their garage.

04:34 And you know what? Maybe the 22year-old that has an idea but doesn't have

04:39 $500,000 to build it, but also

04:46 want to get I want to get underneath all the excitement of of this AI stuff, right?

04:54 I I want to know what it really can do. Where where's the hype? You know, what

05:00 what can't it do? Where does human experience where does that human

05:05 experience still matter? We're going to get into that because it's important. What happens to software developers?

05:13 What happens to jobs? What happens [clears throat] to the cost of starting

05:18 a business? And could a small company in Megaum, Oklahoma or anywhere else across

05:25 America, certainly in America, soon soon have access to technology

05:33 capabilities that once belonged almost exclusively

05:39 to corporations with enormous budgets.

05:44 Those are the conversations I want to have because the further it's something

05:51 that's just something that happens to us, you

05:56 know, the future isn't just happening to us. It's it we're building it right now,

06:03 right? James, welcome to Insights and Straight Talk. Let's let's have a let's

06:09 have a conversation. Hey, Todd. How you doing, brother? Great, great to be here. Thanks.

06:16 So, so I've been excited about those and and I was telling you because, you know, we talk a lot about uh AI. We have

06:23 talked a lot about it and and we've been talking a lot about it for a while. And anybody who isn't

06:30 uh is just being irresponsible with either their own lives or or you know, whoever they're associated with. And

06:36 that's that's anybody's privilege, but you know, there's just a lot of things on the on the horizon. And there's a lot

06:44 of things at stake about [clears throat] those things in the horizon. And I asked you when I when before I brought you

06:50 back out from the green room, I said, uh, let's start with your your journey. Where did that journey begin? Uh, what

06:58 put you on the path? What was that that inflection point put you on the path to

07:04 bring you here today uh with us today? I I have a feeling I know where it's going to come from because we had that that

07:11 core conversation, but why don't you jump on that? I've got to do a little bit of housekeeping in the background.

07:17 Sure. So, I mean, I'm a tech guy, right? I started out as a programmer. So, I've

07:23 I've been doing tech for a long time. And then I jumped from programmer to manager and I've worked for various

07:28 companies and built a lot of things. Some of the things you already heard of uh that you mentioned, right? Uh from

07:36 there what I've noticed is you know big companies and little companies they

07:41 operate very differently. The the large companies have lots of money and they can throw money at problems and the

07:47 small companies have the hands-on and the upfront experience. And I think that

07:54 um there's some there's some interesting parallels between the two and then there's some definite differences and I

08:00 would say you know small companies they get successful and sometimes they plateau out because of the way they're

08:06 handling things process the paperwork the spreadsheets and then large companies know how to deal with massive

08:14 problems by using data and process right and you know basically I'm releasing

08:20 this software to be available to smaller companies to put that process and power

08:26 in reach at affordable price. Um, if you compare it to something like if you you

08:32 want to start a company and you want to keep track of your your clients, your leads and everything else like that, you

08:37 got to go out and buy something really expensive like a salesforce. And I think, you know, a lot of people can't

08:43 justify that price. It's very expensive, but they could really use those kind of tools. And that's why I'm bringing this

08:49 to market and that's where I am now starting SoftEXIT bringing SoftEXIT Studio and uh I believe that a lot of

08:56 people will like this and it's a a reasonable price. It's very affordable but very valable. You you and I are going to talk

09:02 quite a bit about this off you know after the uh after the episode obviously and u because I I could not agree with

09:09 you more. Um and and and and that's exactly the point. you know, Streamyard

09:16 got its first of all, they're a great marketing company. Um, and and they they

09:22 got it their they got their their push because they were so ahead of the market

09:29 capabilities for databases. They put some stuff together that really made them

09:39 a step ahead. Basically made them on the frontier of what AI is. that we talked

09:45 about uh some of the add-ons that uh a part and others that that you could do

09:51 and build on this this thing, but but they're still that freaking expensive.

09:57 and and create and and this isn't, you know, we're not here marketing one thing

10:02 or the other, but uh but I have personal experience in this and I I talked to you about it before and and it was funny

10:09 because we we we're we were going to go down this conversation, but we we we had

10:14 to jump in right away because we both had the same experience with uh with Salesforce and why why we're here

10:21 talking about this today. Um, we've already got several hundred people on.

10:26 Um, so uh everybody please uh uh like the show and and uh and uh u please uh

10:34 comments and so forth in in uh in the uh as as the show opens up and and you you

10:43 start having some questions about this because well let's let's let's go back to that point. Let's let's start at the

10:50 beginning. Let's go where that inflection point was. Let's get let let's get some people uh several hundred

10:57 of them get in get ready and kind of settle in for the for the next little bit of time here with us. How did how

11:03 did how did we get together? How did we get the opportunity to sit down here

11:08 together today? What was that ride? So, uh I you reached out to me, right,

11:15 through uh I believe it was matchmaker.fm FM and uh that's kind of a cool it's it's like a dating service for

11:22 podcasters and guests. So yeah, I I really liked I signed up uh a

11:27 couple of weeks ago after I I never thought of doing podcasts. somebody out of the blue called me up uh for Tech

11:33 Unhinged and we did a interview and uh I thought wow this is this is really great

11:38 to interact with people this way and share ideas and get get some exposure at the same time and I really liked it and

11:45 uh so I started doing some investigation and one I I needed to improve my

11:51 background which I have so because it looked like I was working out of my basement and then uh now

11:58 I love your background by the way we were talking about earlier. I love the backdrop there. And that's not a that's

12:04 not a one of these blue or green screen things. It's like me. It's a real background. That is beautiful, man.

12:12 Thanks. Well, I just cleaned it up. I rearranged my my crap, so to speak. [laughter]

12:18 I And I bought a couple of lights, so that's about it. And then uh then you know then I found out about matchmaker

12:24 and I tried that and then you reached out to me and I got a couple of other people reach out to me and it's a great

12:31 way to make connections right and uh even though I did shows with some of these individuals it appears that I'm

12:38 going to stay in contact with them because you know we really you know hit it off. They're really nice people and

12:43 uh you know it's one thing I noticed about the entrepreneurial community is you think they'd be cy and trying to

12:50 keep their ideas to themselves. I am just amazed by how people are willing to share ideas, help you out, right? It's

12:57 not a crabs in the bucket scenario. It is it is everyone is trying to help everyone else out and I'm pretty

13:03 impressed by that. This is a whole new experience coming from the corporate world into an entrepreneurial

13:09 environment. Yeah, I think the world is evolving in a lot of different ways and and and I think what what you're talking

13:16 about now is really developed out of um the the the folk open AI ChatGPT

13:26 the the the programmers and coders for probably half a dozen years now maybe

13:33 more and more and more over the last couple of years but I I've noticed this this continuing story and I'm older So I

13:40 I caught on to it. Maybe a a lot of other people just take it for granted, but there's a lot of I like what you

13:47 said about that because it is an entrepreneurial even though capitalism is getting beat up a little bit right

13:53 now. the world itself, human beings are are much more entrepreneurial right now,

14:00 especially like coders and that becau well I shouldn't say they are more entrepreneurial but if you you recognize

14:07 it because that spirit of entrepreneurship is is got to be in somebody that spirit

14:14 of wanting to help because that's what entrepreneurs have always built done is they built from nothing right they built

14:22 from an idea and and and and that's kind of how they develop their life. So, it's it's kind

14:29 of funny how how all that that that comes together, right? I mean, does that make sense what I just said?

14:35 Yeah, completely. Yeah. And and and and that's what I love

14:40 about this now is is is it as it goes back to what we were originally talking

14:46 about, the cost of of of like these programs. Uh, I was talking about

14:52 StreamYard. I used this $14,000 number for this thing. You know what I'm

14:58 talking about. Uh, that I had to put together. Basically was training and installing of another thing that cost a

15:05 whole another set of money. But, but doing that now is micro pennies of a

15:14 kilobit or you know whatever. I mean, you know, it's it's a very different structure. So now people are able to

15:21 afford your software that is probably the next level above what I I I again

15:30 I'm not beating up Streamyard or anything but we're just using this for example is probably next level. So where

15:36 did all this come about and and and tell us this story um and let's get into this

15:41 subject because it's possible this is real. This is entrepreneurs

15:47 now being able to compete against IBM. Okay, that may not be real, but but you

15:52 get the scale. Yeah, 100%. Um, you know, I used to work at another company and I used to

15:58 complain a lot by how expensive some of this these SAS applications are and Yeah.

16:04 And I don't know how they justify it. I mean, enormous cost, right? Storage, you

16:09 know, I I talked to one company. I'm not going to keep trashing names out here, but one company was charging us

16:14 something like $20,000 for 500 meg storage just for files. And I asked

16:20 them, how do you justify that? I can go down the street and buy a thumb drive for 50 bucks with, you know, 10 times

16:26 that storage. How about I buy a box of them, ship them to you, and you shove them in your computer? And they, you know, obviously they, you know, they

16:33 laughed, but the point is is they keep turning up the

16:38 heat, right? and they keep turning up the price because what they do is they get you hooked and then they just

16:44 continuously drive the price up and and they either drive you out or they they put themselves in a position where

16:51 smaller companies just can't afford to have those kind of tools available to them. And I used to threaten that, hey,

16:57 you know, I've delivered a lot of worldclass applications. I may just quit my job and go start and go compete with

17:03 them because they're charging so much. I know I can still make money and charge half or a quarter of what they're

17:10 charging. Uh we don't have as many miles to feed as, you know, like a big company like some of these 100,000 employee

17:16 companies. So we can offer a much more economical approach and we're taking

17:22 kind of an oath that we're not going to jack up the price. We're we're going to stay bootstrapped. You know, I'm funding

17:29 this personally my business. I'm not going to take private equity so I don't have to appease stockholders or

17:35 shareholders uh and equity owners that uh I have to continuously double and double my

17:41 business. Right. Right. So I don't have to turn up that that uh heat on the on the customers. So I can

17:47 keep it affordable and I'll make the volume money is is my approach. Yeah. that that's you know that that

17:54 starts to open up that starts to peel back the layers of the onion of of how

18:00 this new business model is in some cases and and you know what it all really

18:05 depends on access like I said in the opening and and all of that depends on

18:11 how involved we get in in our own lives and u you know I tell the story every

18:17 once in a while I I have two granddaughters um well I raised five

18:22 boys, me and producer Barbie. She uh two and two and one one I had adopted uh

18:30 myself, but I raised five boys and um and and we now we're having

18:36 granddaughters. Uh I I like the the example of my oldest granddaughter and my youngest granddaughter. My oldest

18:43 granddaughter is 16 and she Oh, no, I'm sorry. She just turned 17 a month ago,

18:49 but she uh she and I did the show and she's going into nursing school. It's a

18:56 whole long story. She's really busy right now. So, we're not we're not uh doing the show anymore, but we do a show

19:01 every Saturday called uh Insights and Straight Talk with Emma Lynn and Grandpa

19:07 Rod. So, she could communicate with me in discussions about what kids go

19:14 through, what and it's a weekly thing. We step parents and adults are and young adults and all that coming up. And then

19:21 my youngest granddaughter is just about to turn three at the end of uh a month

19:28 and one week from now. While I was at her birth

19:33 uh in Texas, um I was I was uh my son, my oldest son uh taught me AI, taught me

19:42 open jeep chat. Dad, start with this, right? Uh maybe write some emails out or

19:48 do do something, but start with this. You're going to need this. You'll see after you get involved. And my I'm a

19:54 real curious person, so it wasn't hard for him to talk me into it. Well, exactly a year later, at my

20:02 granddaughter's first birthday, her first birthday party, I was staying there. I was sitting across the the

20:09 aisle or the island and uh my son's

20:14 wife's mom. So, what would that be? My mother-in-law

20:20 something. Um but she and I were talking really really wonderful lady about my

20:25 age, a little bit older. But we were talking about AI because I've been doing this over the last year and been started

20:31 doing some shows and all that and she's like I don't want to know anything about it. I'm gonna stick my head in the sand.

20:37 It scares me. Da da da da da. And there's too many people thinking that

20:43 way. How do you get them to correct that? How do you start steering people, especially in my generation? Because

20:49 this this is now allowing me to compete with IBM. So, I think your experience is what I

20:57 think is probably the best way to get exposed to it that somebody needs to show them. Uh I you know I'm a ham radio

21:03 operator and we have an expression called an Elmer that an Elmer would show you how to use the radio, right? Because

21:08 you've never ever seen a radio. It's got all these fancy dials on it. Very very intimidating, right? So somebody would

21:16 show you and what I found is people are rather surprised that there is nothing to learn about AI. You basically ask it

21:25 questions, it will it'll tell you. You can you can use it in so many different ways. It's I I don't know how to explain

21:32 it. You really almost have to experience it and then you know people do the kind

21:38 of the hello world type of with it and I think if you go to AI with

21:45 okay I I could figure it out but what do you mean by they do the hello world kind

21:50 of thing with it? They'll ask it like, you know, what's the population in the United States? You know, things like

21:56 that, right? They'll get data. But what they don't know and what [snorts] people do with Siri when

22:02 it first came out, the same sort of thing, just goofball stuff, whatever.

22:07 What what they need to be what they need to see is it doing something like, you

22:13 know, you you give it a a bunch of numbers. You you give it all your expenses and everything. Say, can you

22:18 tell me which bill to pay first? And then it does and then it tells you why. And that's where it starts to get

22:25 amazing. You start to really see what it's capable of and it starts to actually solve problems

22:31 for you and it works with you. And in the end, you know, you are still in control. You are the person. It's just

22:37 somebody advising you, right? People can, you have friends that advise you. You listen to them. You don't. It's your

22:43 choice, right? Same thing with ChatGPT. You can listen to it or you cannot. But

22:48 usually advice is pretty good and it's wellinformed unlike uh unlike some of my friends. They don't know everything in

22:55 the world. You know, they haven't been trained on every single book in the world and every single thing. And AI

23:01 has, you know, you you bring up a a freaking awesome point there because it it even

23:07 goes deeper in my opinion. It even goes deeper than that because um so here's

23:13 and we talked about cost earlier and we we haven't even really got into the whole rabbit hole as the old saying

23:19 goes, but there's so many things about this that make uh make small entrepreneurs better. Um

23:29 we talked about the cost of software, you know, it was $20,000, it was $14,000, it was this much or that much.

23:37 Now it's fractions of a penny per whatever digi point. Um, but there's

23:43 also the the person cost. So, so I'm an entrepreneur. So, producer Barbie always

23:50 wanted an assistant, right? Uh, you know, assistants are expensive. So, so

23:57 Daisy gets um So, so that assistant would cost you 20 bucks

24:04 an hour, 30 bucks an hour, 80,000 a year, whatever that is.

24:09 You know what AI is? You know what? You know, I hope you're probably knowing where I'm going right now. It it's it

24:16 works with agents and you give them prompts, right? That's that relationship.

24:22 Now, there's automation. It's a little different. Um my son calls it like this.

24:27 Automation is like when you want something repeated time after time after time and done perfect.

24:33 Uhuh. AI is like you want to bounce something off your best friend. So in using that

24:40 explanation um what what happens with AI these agents is they also get to know you over

24:48 time. So I I instead of hiring an $80,000 assistant, you said not all your

24:54 friends know everything. They also don't care as much about your mission maybe or

25:01 about um how you want something to happen or how you want it worded or how

25:07 the emphasis wants to go or whatever those tweaks are that are decision after

25:12 decision after decision that that lead to something, right? Isn't all of that true about where we're going in this

25:20 conversation? Yeah, I mean AI it does it kind of does

25:26 it feels like it gets to know you. It stores things so that has it can retrieve and uh your history and give

25:33 you better answers, right? Your own interests more the way you it's your it's developing its personality

25:41 from you. It's well it's aligned. It it will always be aligned with you. It's been designed to be aligned. It's supposed to

25:48 make you happy, right? Um I I will make this suggestion. If you're like a an entrepreneur and you're

25:55 like a founder, I I treat a like it's a co-founder to be honest with you. And you know what what's a good

26:01 co-founder? Someone who has knowledge that you don't, right? But one of the things I do is sometimes I

26:07 ask AI not to be aligned with me. I ask it to challenge me and to critique my

26:14 ideas. And that's where AI becomes very very powerful because now it's changing

26:19 you, right? It's it's you have an idea and you think it's great and everybody thinks their ideas are great and then

26:25 you have to challenge it and then you find yourself in the position where you have to defend yourself and your idea

26:31 starts to get stronger. Is isn't that what they teed or isn't that what they taught in debate club? take the opposite

26:37 side and argue the point. So you strengthen your own your own viewpoint.

26:42 Harvard Harvard business involved where you've got to uh create the argument uh against

26:49 uh your your own uh uh thoughts, right? But to your point, yeah, it gets

26:54 very aligned. It learns you. It its goals are aligned with you and it's trying to achieve it, which you know

27:00 sometimes the human counterpart that isn't necessarily the case, right? It could be a hidden agenda. You put it

27:06 better. Much better way to put it. But that's exactly right because AI its whole mission is to please you.

27:13 Yes. The human doesn't necessarily that isn't necessarily their top point. Right.

27:19 They may be saying they're trying to please you and internally they're not right. So

27:25 that may be on purpose or not. That may be on purpose or not. They [laughter] they may be trying but just can't do it.

27:31 Or they may be like I'm jealous of this I'm going to help it, but I'm going to, you know, right?

27:37 The other thing I noticed about AI is when you ask it to do something, there have been times when I asked it to build

27:42 something for me. And I knew if I asked a human counterpart that they would roll their eyes and complain because they

27:49 just got done building something and now you're asking it to undo it. So, it's it's really nice in that aspect of

27:55 there's no resistance. You tell it to do something, it does it.

28:00 You write the prompts, right? You know, as a matter of fact, you you brought this up earlier, but when I first started working with AI, I wasn't really

28:07 getting there. I was getting frustrated because I have my own way of communication and I you may or may not

28:13 be able to tell, but I say words differently and you know, I have my own style.

28:18 So, finally, what I did and I asked I asked my son this. I go with He goes, "Here's what you need to do.

28:26 Tell your AI agent, create a prompt that says something to

28:33 the effect of, "Now create the perfect prompt. I want to be able to accomplish

28:38 this rule. I want to accomplish this thing and I want you to remember the uh

28:45 I don't know the rule and and keep building on that pack." So basically what I did is I created I said create

28:52 the perfect prompt that that that creates that result which is basically

28:58 the company we're talking about today right yeah I well the the

29:04 the way the you're talking about studio studio works a little different than I've taken a different approach to it

29:10 you know a lot of people are trying to back into AI and and check the box and say hey we're using AI right that's

29:16 their sales pitch in my opinion I because they've run out of things to sell. But, you know, I I use it as how

29:23 can I use this to solve a problem? Because people buy solutions to

29:29 problems. They don't buy solutions, right? It they need to have a problem that you need to solve. So,

29:36 the approach I took was not to build a product around AI, but to use AI as a

29:41 tool. And that's why we call it AI architect because it's the architect essentially. So our platform is very

29:49 stable. It's very defined, right? You have the standard database tables, forms, dashboards, Kanban boards, all

29:57 the things that you normally see. But when we ask our AI architect to build something for us, it's not generating

30:04 code. And there's a huge difference between the two. And now they look the same, the results.

30:09 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait. So it's not Okay. As I understand it,

30:15 there's code. no code and some code or low code, right?

30:20 So when I thought like so when I'm doing ChatGPT and I'm asking it to do something,

30:26 [clears throat] there's a little button you can click over here and you can see the code side of what's being written to

30:33 create what you're doing. So what did you just say? Did you just say something

30:38 differently than that? Yeah. What you use uses no code whatsoever, right? We designed this specifically not

30:45 to generate code because what does code bring? Code brings bugs. Code brings security vulnerabilities. And every time

30:52 you ask it to add a new thing, even a word or capitalize a letter, you're getting a whole new program. And you're

30:58 basically you have to regression test the whole thing if you're going to be in a serious business environment.

31:04 So what we did is we built a platform that gets configured. So everything our AI agent could do you could do by hand

31:12 but it does in 10 minutes what would take somebody two days. Yeah. And essentially you know like Salesforce

31:19 right Salesforce was really complex and you have to hire yourself an Apex programmer or or a you know a functional

31:26 consultant to set it up and configure it. Yeah. [laughter] And that's why it gets so expensive.

31:31 It's not only is the service expensive but the resources to power it are expensive. Insane. It is insane. It is

31:39 unbelievable. And they're in such high demand and they make top dollar. Um, so

31:45 we decided that we were gonna do away with all that that one, we were going to make our product very simple to use. I

31:51 noticed that one of your viewers, uh, Ellen Silverman said, "How much how much technical background do I need to use

31:58 SoftEXIT Studio?" And it's virtually none. We we've designed it like comparing the Mac to to the uh to

32:05 Windows, right? It's a much more simpler environment. You don't have to understand concepts for like relational

32:11 databases. We have relational tables where you [snorts] know you have a customer that has orders right and

32:16 that's a one to many relationship. You don't have to understand how any of that works. All you have to do is think of it

32:22 in folders right customer has folders with data in it. And essentially that's how we built it out. Now if you like

32:30 let's say somebody was building out a Salesforce or an Airtable system might take several days to build out a system

32:37 on ours we could do it in a day or a half day by hand or we can just ask the AI agent to do it for us in less than 10

32:45 minutes. So, and then not only does it configure everything for you, unlike an

32:51 AI code generator, it configures everything for you in a way that you want to be able to process

32:58 the results or run the numbers or extract the the data. Yeah.

33:04 By telling it this is what I want to do, it'll just build the program for you in 10 minutes. Yeah. Give you an example. Say

33:11 and then you say, "Oh, wait. I didn't like the way it did that. Can you do it this way differently?

33:16 Yes, 100%. So you can you can create unlimited solutions and you can use these solutions like sandboxes and you

33:23 can say uh AI hold on hold on hold on we need to we need to talk about this right now. So

33:28 sandbox I know what it is now. I I I've heard it forever but I've recently heard

33:34 about it. Uh sandboxes because of is it Huggy face?

33:40 Uh I I haven't looked at that one yet. I've heard a lot about it, but I haven't looked. There's that thing going on there. And

33:46 what was supposed to be about that is uh these agents that they were testing uh

33:54 it escaped. They escaped from the sandbox. So, what the only reason I bring that up, we

33:59 don't have to go down that whole thing unless you want to. Um but the sandbox just means that it's this program inside

34:08 of its enclosed environment, right? That's right. Right. We we have nothing we have

34:14 nothing that will escape. I guarantee you that. Um, essentially it's a sandbox outside of your production environment.

34:20 So, right, if you want to tinker around with what AI can do, but you want to you don't want to interfere with your mainline business

34:26 because that's all stable and and operating the way you want it, then you create another solution. You ask AI to

34:32 generate something. So, I'll give you an example. Let's say, you know, I you know, I I you can generate the CRM right

34:39 off the bat. We have a se customer relationship model right now. If you want to extend it and say, you know

34:45 what, I need some basic inventory. I can't keep track of the things on my shelves. I don't know when they're

34:50 running low. That's the hardest point. You know, that's that's a point where a business

34:55 changes from from a mom and pop shop from a micro company into a small

35:03 business. Uh, but that's the that right there is that's that's a big thing right

35:08 there, right? Yeah. So, instead of going out and buying another expensive SAS, you just say,

35:13 "Hey, AR architect, I need this accounting system. I just want to track POS's suppliers and inventory level and

35:19 you just type it like the way I said and then it builds all the tables. It builds the data entry forms. It builds the

35:25 dashboards and then you you have it all configured in the solution and then

35:31 let's say you don't like it. you say, you know, I need a few more tables or I just need to add this tweak. Well, a lot

35:38 of people can't do tweak the code that AI is generating, but you can tweak this because it's an application now. You

35:44 just open up the table and say you press the add a field button and you could do it right there without regener.

35:51 Yeah, it's all in the cloud. All in the cloud. Dude, I love this thing. I'm loving it

35:57 better and better. Every once in a while we get a a podcast on here, but I I

36:02 haven't seen the real estate podcast, so this probably a business owner. Very interested in what you're talking about

36:08 here. That's my guest. Um um uh so what I normally do is I have people when

36:14 somebody's making a comment, I have a guest read the comment and I'll

36:20 I'll read questions because I like to adjust them slightly. So let's let's keep that agreement along the way here.

36:27 Um, but I'm good. This one has both. So, for the first ones here, I'll I'll I'll I'll also read the comment. Um, so great

36:34 show. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Um, please uh subscribe and like the

36:40 like the episode. How is AI ch and and I want to change this comment or this

36:46 question a little bit. How is AI changing the way entrepreneurs build businesses today? Reason I said that is

36:54 because obviously it is. But I think it's what we're talking about is a AI is

37:00 changing how entrepreneurs do things in their business and how much they can do

37:05 and how much they can compete and how maybe I can sell uh my product far

37:12 beyond Greer County or Mangum Oklahoma across the the United States is in a

37:17 much easier way because all of this can be now non-code. But but also how are

37:25 they changing the way people think about building their businesses or is that a

37:30 bridge too far? People already changing the way they think about building a business because of AI.

37:37 It's completely changed the way I would approach it. Right. Like Okay. Okay. That's interesting.

37:42 I spoke earlier that I I consider AI like my co-founder, right? And I don't

37:48 have to pay that co-founder or argue with them or fight over the business. and we split at some point in time

37:54 because AI is not going to take my business away. But it does bring expertise I don't have.

37:59 So that's one the size of the company has changed, right? I don't have to hire an army of programmers now.

38:06 I can have AI build that out. So it and then I could take the money that would go there and focus it

38:12 somewhere else. and where I think if you if you're an entrepreneur entrepreneur

38:18 today, I think there's going to be a lot more of us and I think it's going to become a lot noisy and a harder more

38:25 more difficult to get attention, right? So, I think the the this is a big future

38:30 for marketing people because if there's more of us, how do we stand out from the crowd? And it's usually we have to turn

38:37 to marketing. Yeah. They have they have to help us out, right? It's like like just take the apps on the app store. There's two million of

38:43 them on Apple alone, right? You you can't even be found now unless you advertise, right? So, I I think

38:49 that's what's going to happen with all businesses. You're going to see some amazing small

38:54 businesses that are going to eat the lunch of larger corporations because they can't be as nimble now and

39:00 especially with the smaller uh businesses with AI as a tool and they

39:06 have a lot of miles to feed. So, they have to probably cut people, which is to compete because they're not going to be

39:12 able to compete because their product is so expensive that they can't afford to to fight the small guy anymore.

39:19 Exactly. I was just going to say it's funny because it's kind of the tables have all almost all basically changed in

39:27 that we we haven't been able to compete with the big guy the IBMs and and and

39:32 not in the world because you know if we're going to get anywhere with anything we need a team of people or

39:37 like I said or that 22 year old that's got an amazing idea but he or she just

39:43 doesn't have half a million dollars to develop it. Well, with an application

39:48 that that statement that when I was writing the the monologue that statement, remember I told you I got off

39:55 on this whole other idea. I want to start this contest. Can your can you create an application that creates a

40:02 contest? I want to create a company. This is what I wanted to do. How can I

40:08 how can I get it there? And then it it creates something and then you go back and you challenge it and it creates

40:15 something more and you challenge it and and you create this contest for the city of Mango. Um there's some way to

40:23 obviously do that. But this right here is once you have that company I can now

40:31 and and pro actually probably can help you build a business in within itself. You know, I have my I

40:39 have my mechanics business here. I want to be able to develop a better mark. You talked about marketing. Marketing is

40:45 going to be huge because the way to market is also different. You know, the tools, it's not just back magazine ads

40:52 now. You know, it's a whole different Tik Tok and the algorithms and the AI is

40:57 going to help with that. And and then there's going to be things looking for AI to help fight against that. So, it's

41:03 going to get a lot more complicated uh as as time goes along. But, yeah, I I I I appreciate the way you put that is

41:11 that your reaction to me was was my my

41:16 exposure being a novice because you said I wouldn't think of I I totally think about business as different now because

41:23 of AI. And and when you said that, I went, "Oh, duh." Yeah. Okay. I I get

41:29 some I get some things that make sense here. Cody here. He says, "This is fascinating. Can small businesses really

41:37 compete with larger companies using AI?" We were just talking about it. So, just put a little color in there between the

41:44 layers for uh for Cody, would you? So, 100%. Right. We can compete on

41:49 price. We can compete on a personal touch, right? How many times have you

41:54 tried to even You can't even find a phone number for a large corporation. They don't want to talk to you. I hate that. they you know so you know

42:02 there's so many different ways that we can take the business away from these large companies they can't get out of

42:07 their own way. That's a great point. That is a great great great point. Literally the tables

42:15 are turning. Yeah. Just just think about all the people that they're laying off and you

42:22 know these large companies. They have no idea that they are creating they're they're creating weapons that are going

42:27 to come after them with AI because they have the knowledge of how those companies work. They know their

42:32 shortcomings. Yeah. They they know how to beat them and they're going to be able to do it at

42:38 a smaller scale and uh it's going to be interesting to watch.

42:44 Well, what's what's going to be really and Yes, it is. Absolutely. That makes I mean just from a just from a different

42:50 standpoint, I love the way you just said that. It's going to be interesting to watch how the economy evolves and

42:56 changes over the years because now everything's everything's flipped back.

43:02 I mean, h how has most successful larger companies been developed? It's

43:09 because they were at another company and didn't like the way that the other company was doing it or saw a better way

43:15 that they could do it. But do you know how many is a percentage at least probably of those people who wanted to

43:24 but couldn't because of the example of the 22year-old that had a has a great idea sitting at their kitchen table but

43:31 doesn't have a half a million dollars to start it. Right now what you said it's going to be

43:36 interesting to watch. Imagine this right now. I think I think small businesses

43:42 I think and small business is not what you would imagine it. Small business is defined as like probably a hundred

43:48 million dollar a year company. So, you know, a $30 million a year, you know,

43:53 whatever. It's a very, it's not a mom and pop. So if you have a bunch of small

44:01 businesses, entrepreneurs now starting these companies competing with these larger companies,

44:08 uh if you have 60% I think is of employed by of of people are employed by

44:15 small business, I bet you I bet you that number is going to dramatically shrink

44:21 because of opportunity. I mean, can you imagine making seven figures and just

44:27 being able to do it at home and not have to deal with employees or at least only a couple of them? I mean, the the

44:34 widening of that of that playing field is probably going to happen, isn't it?

44:39 Well, I think I I think you're going to see a lot of things. You're going to see smaller companies that that will be on the rise. I think some smaller companies

44:47 will actually expand and start to hire some of these experts, right? And you

44:53 know they they want to bring on people with knowledge because as we all know AI

44:59 remember the old adage right garbage in garbage out for computers. Yeah. Yeah. It's just AI is no different database. It's just a

45:06 right garbage in garbage out. Exactly. You're you're you might want to hire

45:11 someone from one of these larger companies because they have insight. they will be able to ask the better

45:16 question of AI and build you better processes, better tools, uh things of

45:21 that nature. So, I think it I don't think this is going to go in one

45:27 direction. I think we're going to watch it play out and then you're going to see some introductions of new technologies

45:33 that'll change the game, right? And people are learning how to use AI. You know, we we got past the memes. We got

45:40 past the, oh, look at the funny video. I can make this guy do this, right? It none of that's going to generate a dime.

45:46 It's very interesting and great discussion, but people are starting to leverage AI in ways that businesses can

45:54 monetize and use. And I'm seeing some really interesting things and they're

46:00 making everything affordable for the smaller businesses so they can operate on a level that they've never been able

46:06 to operate before. this is the time to to bootstrap and this is the time to

46:12 start your own company. I really do. I think it's going to be incredibly exciting.

46:18 Or you're going to be dear in the headlights and you're going to miss the opportunity. There it is. And you're going to be one of those guys

46:24 that said, "Oh, why didn't I think of that?" Right? Because we all know those people. We've all been those people.

46:29 Right? So, this is a everyone should just jump into this and just start playing around.

46:35 You you can't break anything. You're not going to get hurt. Just start playing with ChatGPT and see what it does. It'll

46:41 generate ideas. Yeah. And you can actually have a like a a sidekick to be safe. You know, having

46:48 the side hustle is much more uh relevant and easy to do nowadays because you

46:53 don't have all that that extra time needed. You're saving a lot of time and money. So, this is this is where we're

46:59 going to get into it a little bit here. Ellen here. It looks like Ellen's a uh pretty pretty uh obviously a success.

47:08 Obviously a business person of some sort. So uh let's get into some of the

47:14 the the bolts and nuts here. Let's So we've talked about how much it can help

47:19 and what it can do. So in in running this a little nuts and bolts here. How

47:27 much technical knowledge I know what it takes to learn uh some of these other

47:33 other ones. How much technical knowledge is actually needed to use softex exit

47:39 effectively? Uh very very little. Uh if you understand the basic concepts of a database right it's it database is

47:46 uh is a different representation of a spreadsheet. The spreadsheet has columns and rows. The databases have the same

47:54 names. They call them records and fields. Right. A field is a column. A row is a record. That's right.

47:59 The the thing about databases is they can stitch like 12 different uh related

48:05 spreadsheets together for you and you don't have to visualize it all at once. So, you can have all this data in

48:11 different tables or different spreadsheets, so to speak, and then you say, "Hey, I need to know every single

48:18 interaction with my client in the last two months because I can tell they're calling. They they look like they're upset. I don't want to answer the phone

48:24 cold." Right? So, you can go into the database and see all those interactions. or you can see

48:30 all the things they purchase or I need a list of customers where all their contracts are expiring this this month

48:37 so I can call them up and remind them right and and be of good service to my clients some of them say hey thanks

48:43 because I would have let that expire it anything you track could be tracked in this tool and it

48:49 doesn't need you don't need a developer you don't need to have a technical appointment this is making scheduling

48:56 appointments this is are are we doing automated ated systems like I'm sending

49:02 a letter out of my out of my uh out of my uh SRS

49:07 automations are coming uh and they won't be far off. We're going to do uh some integrations. Uh one of the main

49:14 integrations we want to do is Zapier. Uh so that Oh, I love Zapier. Okay, that connects you to like 9,000

49:21 different things. So you can connect it to QuickBooks and things like that. So that is coming. Um, we feel that there's

49:28 a large uh a large set of clients out there that aren't doing that yet that they just want to keep track of stuff

49:33 because they're losing track of of their their items that are important to them because they because of all the

49:39 spreadsheets and but but you're doing appointments. We can do appointments in it. It doesn't

49:45 have a scheduleuler yet, but that is also on the way. We're getting some requests for that where you actually

49:50 have a calendar. Um the reason why we didn't tackle that first is you can do all that in Outlook.

49:56 Yeah. No, no, absolutely. I get that. So, so I I'm asking about the calendar

50:01 because um in in the database and in and let's say maintenance uh issues that are

50:09 quarterly versus by-early, right? I mean, we're we're we're building that's

50:14 part of this, right? That you're you're able to has to have a calendar to it.

50:20 Yeah. You add a field, right? You add a field that says due date and you put in there uh the the date it's due, right?

50:27 And then we have our our grids that could filter data that says there give me everything that's going to be

50:34 due in the next 30 days, right? And it's a drop down. You don't have to program that in. You just it literally says last

50:40 30 days or last seven days and you pick it. You don't have to program any of that. And then once you

50:46 So you just tell it the last seven days and then boom, that thing happened. Yep. It filters it all out. It creates a

50:51 separate list for you. You could have Yeah, you could have two different lists. You can say, "Give me a list for last 30 days. Give me a list that's

50:58 going to expire in the next 90 days." And then and then you work off that list. You create any view that you want.

51:05 And essentially all you do is you go into the dashboard and you do create create a create a widget and create a

51:11 view. It's we call it a component and it creates a grid and you tell it what you want the grid to show.

51:18 You're just doing this. What's that? You're just doing this. Yeah, you're telling it what you want it to do.

51:24 Well, you can It's easier just to go in and create the widget and then and configure because it's not programming.

51:30 It's it's literally you say add a grid and it adds the grid and it says add a grid from this table and that takes

51:36 literally one second as opposed to waiting for AI to turn it up. Customize it down to that level.

51:43 Yeah. Then you say then you then you've got your grid and it's got everything in it. And then you go up to the filter command and you say I want to know this

51:51 date everything that will be expiring in the next 30 days and then it just creates that grid and then you say save

51:57 that and you put it on a tab and then you create that as a menu item and it's always there so you can go view

52:03 it every month. It it's really easy to use it. You know there's we need to

52:08 create some tutorial videos. Those are coming. So, we're racing the market. So, we don't have all our our documentation

52:15 things. But, but here's the here's the thing is we have a consistent way on how we do everything. So, once you kind of

52:21 learn one concept, you can apply it everywhere and it's not very complicated.

52:26 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Now, just to add add to that a little bit. So,

52:33 Danny, thank you. This is a fascinating discussion and I'm I'm loving this. I'm loving the, you know, you know how when

52:39 you get into something and your mind is like, "Oh, you can do that. You can do that. Oh, oh, and that, you know, and

52:46 because I'm relating this like I I had in an earlier conversation today, you

52:52 and I we're sitting there watching the same conversation. We're having this conversation, but there's going to be

52:58 certain aspects of it that I react different or accept or or hear differently than you do because all of

53:05 the sum total of my life today is has been all the sum total of the events of

53:11 my life, right? And and my reactions to that and all that's filtered through this brain that doesn't really know the

53:18 truth of anything. It just knows what what my synapses say I'm experienced

53:23 life like. And and and this is is is just that ability to continue to

53:30 experience that next level and and we really owe

53:35 ourselves a responsibility to do this because the world is not going to not

53:41 continue evolving. And so Danny, really fascinating discussion here. How do you

53:47 think AI will change the way small businesses build and launch new products? So, we

53:54 talked about how they'll even create their businesses, but I didn't think about this because it's got to be easier

54:00 to build and launch products 100% than it ever has been ever in the history of

54:06 time before, right? Yes, absolutely. I the way we used it is

54:12 uh for deployments, right? We have it write our deployment scripts. We don't need we don't need uh operations people

54:20 anymore. I mean really, you know, when when we didn't let anyone go, but we just didn't build up

54:26 SOPs, right? Yep. And uh essentially, you know, we do deployment with a tool called Jenkins.

54:33 And it's really great. It's a push of a button. We write the code. We check the code into GitHub. I know this isn't

54:39 going to make a lot of sense to a lot of people, but essentially GitHub is a repository where the source code goes

54:45 and it keeps it keeps every single version for you. And then we tell this tool called Jenkins, go get the latest

54:52 and put it out on the servers and it just does it. We just literally push a button. It it automatically backs up our

54:59 data. It automatically puts a message out to everyone, hey, we're having scheduled maintenance. So, we don't have to do any of this anymore. We literally

55:07 we hit a button and that's all it takes to do a deployment. I remember when I

55:13 worked for Motorola, we would do a deployment. We'd have a hundred leaders, team leaders in a room and people would

55:20 scream out whether they were ready or not. It was like NASA, right? You know, operations check, right? Is this is the

55:27 temperature in the suit okay? Yes. Check. Move on to the next thing. And it would take all day to release something.

55:34 Now it takes like five minutes. I push a button, I go have a cup of coffee, it's

55:39 done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the the world the world is has really changed a lot.

55:46 Now, there's also, you know, there's there's good to bad, right? There's good there's good and bad. Um, and and really

55:52 it it depends. I'm assuming you're a uh you're a Elon Musk fan. I'm guessing. I

55:58 would I would assume. I would guess. I don't know. whatever you want to say. I I uh I'm I'm a fan person. I uh you

56:07 know, some of the things that politics has gotten into and and and you know,

56:12 made some things uh more challenging to understand

56:18 why you wouldn't listen to some of those concepts and some of those thoughts. And

56:24 I agree, he's a he's a he's an unusual character. is the by far the wealthiest man in the world by tons of far. Um, and

56:32 he's got some amazing concepts, but he talks about the world eventually became

56:39 having the ability to he talks about eventually having the

56:44 ability to have a utopia on earth. And he says that because in his belief over

56:50 time uh automation, AI, robots they they all are creating

56:57 the cost of providing business and and and services. The cost of those those

57:05 being supplied are going lower and lower and lower and lower and lower to the

57:10 point of the really the only concern in the future will be never inflation. it'll be deflation. Uh but with that

57:19 said, I I I I think there's there's some real

57:24 um there's some real truth to that. The concept there's a lot of arguments that

57:30 can be made one way or the other. But but the biggest thing to me that's critical is what we're doing right now

57:37 and learning about this stuff. being able to take advantage of a a scenario,

57:42 a situation where we can become a better society. We can become uh more

57:49 entrepreneurs, we can the more and more that we as a society and and and as a

57:54 people and as a a species, the more we protect ourselves about the bad side of

58:00 all this potential. I said there's good side and bad side of happening. And and

58:06 that potential is the one where oh those are several movies where the robots kill and eat all the people and

58:14 you know there's that kind of potential AI but then there's also to me the more

58:19 relevant and concerning one is the governments and officials and so forth uh uh you know regulating

58:26 may be the wrong word in this in this example but u having a scenario where

58:33 the the great middle class the B's and U's in the world. Rod, I'm elevating

58:39 myself by saying me and you, but please excuse me for that for now. But um the

58:44 the the ability for us to have uh that result can be really challenged if we

58:51 don't pay more attention to how the leaders of our our countries and our

58:57 government are are taking care are or how they're addressing and and listening

59:02 to uh what what's going on in in this world. So, one of the things that people

59:09 talk about is how jobs may shift and change. So, what do you think this is

59:14 like like Clayton says here, how do you see AI changing the role of software developers uh in the next few years? I

59:21 mean, my my son and I have talked about this quite a bit. What do you think? So, okay. So, that's kind of the not so,

59:29 you know, one of the glamorous side of this because Well, well, you know what it is and it

59:35 isn't. And and I hope you're saying because it's just hasn't been talked about enough. My one of the things my

59:42 son and I talked about is there's an evolution in the economy because jobs

59:47 aren't necessarily going away, but they are going to be changing. Maybe you don't have a developer, but you have

59:52 somebody who's managing a bunch of AI agents. Well, there's there's a lot of software

59:59 developers who've invested, you know, you know, four, six, eight years of college

1:00:04 and um I'll be honest, you know, well, I'm a coder, so I can review the stuff that's coming out of AI and I do really

1:00:11 closely to make sure to design as well, but we're not hiring programmers. That's

1:00:17 got to be an impact. And I think that's a real problem. you're gonna have a ton

1:00:23 of people that are going to be out of uh out of employment. Now, a large portion of them are could have an

1:00:29 entrepreneurial spirit and start their own companies and well that's what you were alluding to earlier on. Yeah. So,

1:00:35 yeah. So, I mean these guys can look at the tech and say, "Hey, I could do this better. I know how to do this." Right.

1:00:42 But not everyone's an entrepreneur, right? you have in a lot of these companies that are the equivalent of

1:00:48 pacer a paper pusher programmers that I'm not sure they have an idea they've

1:00:54 been they've been following instructions for so long I think those people are are

1:00:59 going to have to consider a career change or get really good at being an entrepreneur because I think developer

1:01:06 jobs are going to be a thing of the past I don't think you're going to see a lot of them five 10 years from now for sure

1:01:12 because the code that these things start producing. I know a lot of people have wishful thinking and they they joke that

1:01:18 it creates garbage code and all that. Um, yeah, it's a risk, right? You have security risks and all that. You have to

1:01:25 review it, but if you start telling it to look for those certain things, it does adjust and it gets better. And it's

1:01:31 back to the garbage in, garbage out. If you're a good programmer, you can have AI produce incredible things. If you're

1:01:37 a lousy programmer, yeah, you're going to write code or ask for code that's that because you didn't think about

1:01:43 asking for security. You didn't think about asking for certain features or you didn't create or you didn't provide

1:01:50 input for the design that you see a year out because it can't read your mind, right? So yeah, it's going to there's a

1:01:56 lot of crap programmers programmers out there creating a lot of crap programs from AI and you're going to see a lot of

1:02:03 that, but it's the good ones that are going to create amazing things. So where

1:02:08 do those people land? I don't know. I don't have a good answer for that. And and you know, it's a it's a real concern

1:02:14 in the industry. So, and if you really want to check the barometer,

1:02:19 a lot of people are like, well, you know, tech in in the United States has, you know, one of the lowest unemployment

1:02:25 rates, right? You're right. But where do we get all our programmers from? The the

1:02:30 majority of them overseas. And no one's tracking the unemployment

1:02:35 rates of technology in overseas. And I am been picking up vibes that some of

1:02:41 these companies in Latin America are getting huge hits in their stock because they can't land these big contracts

1:02:48 anymore because companies have wised up and they say, "Well, you should be able to do that with one quarter to the

1:02:54 developers." And they're right. And so they're having to let go a lot of people because they can no longer justify

1:03:01 hundred people teams when they know that, you know, five guys with AI can do

1:03:06 almost the same thing now. So yeah, I think you're going to see some turmoil in the tech industry and

1:03:13 then we'll figure it all out and then I think the danger is that'll spill over to the rest of the world. Once tech

1:03:20 figures it out, everyone copies us. Yeah. Well, no doubt. and and when it

1:03:25 comes realistically there's a lot of competition in this but realistically I think the US is still well ahead in in

1:03:32 the AI world of of of of where we stand in compared to say a China or or e the

1:03:40 EU and others but that's because of what our fabric is our fabric what what is the United

1:03:46 States right it's the place where people come to start a business right because there's no restrictions like there are

1:03:52 in their own country this where the home of the entrepreneur is. This is why we should fare better

1:03:58 than most countries. The only the only thing that's going to be and yes, I agree with you because of

1:04:04 that exact thing. What you just said is so very true. Um and the the only thing that that uh is interesting to me is

1:04:13 that you said it's going to be interesting is is see how this all plays out. So, and

1:04:20 the entrepreneurship and and big business versus small business and and and big emerging technologies that have

1:04:28 come out, you know, the industrial revolution, which has basically been the last revolution that that the human

1:04:35 species has gone through. Um, you know, there's the the internet coming on and that's obviously

1:04:41 kind of took the industrial revolution and fed it sped that whole concept up.

1:04:48 Stop it. Um the uh she's not usually this bad. She's just very demanding

1:04:53 today. The uh but but the AI this revolution the robots the the Jetsons

1:05:01 are coming. This is happening. I mean the industrial revolution was generations of people right three four

1:05:08 five generations 1920s the 1940s 1950s

1:05:13 you know 1990s you know you there there's a slowish

1:05:19 progression of technology and and what Americans and people are building and

1:05:24 and and business and how a business is evolving now that's counted by minutes

1:05:31 instead of decades Now it's counted by days instead of

1:05:36 generations. And that's going to be what's going to be curious about how when AI

1:05:44 the advantages and the disadvantages come together and how much the entrepreneur sorts all that out, isn't

1:05:51 it? Yeah. And like I said, I don't have a crystal ball here. So I'm on the side. I'm

1:05:58 watching too. And the only thing that I can do is is I'm not going to be able to

1:06:03 change it. I'm not going to be able to stop it. So, I better learn how to navigate it. And you're only going to be

1:06:10 able to do it by keeping your eyes open. If if you're Yeah. If you're going to fool yourself

1:06:16 and say, "Oh, this will never do this," or, "Haha, here's another poor example of what it does bad." Yeah. I could That

1:06:23 makes you feel good, right? But at some point, this thing will steamroll you if

1:06:28 you don't get out of its way. And it's better to be on top of it than under it. So, I would rather be on top.

1:06:36 I couldn't agree with you more. And it's funny because there's several people here that are obviously really buying

1:06:41 into the entrepreneurship. I'm just going to bounce on a couple of these comments here. Um, and then we'll we'll

1:06:47 continue. There's a couple of really good ones coming up. But but Jack here says what what should entrepreneurs run

1:06:54 learn learn from today to stay competitive in an AIdriven market? We were just talking about how how the

1:07:01 entre entrepreneurial spirit is actually probably going to be really driving this

1:07:06 in the right direction and the fact that here in America we're kind of built that

1:07:12 way um you know really helps us in the overall and bigger picture. This is such

1:07:18 an important conversation for business owners. What should entrepreneurs focus on first when adopting AI? So, let's

1:07:25 let's bring those two together a little bit in in a question in in that we've

1:07:31 already kind of talked about this. What should entrepreneurs learn today to stay competitive in this market that AI is

1:07:38 driving as well as what they should would should be focusing on when they f first start using it. A lot of people

1:07:45 have a lot of people haven't though, right? I think I think the success in the long

1:07:52 run will be don't look at AI as AI. Look

1:07:57 at you need to have business sense to be an entrepreneurial. Don't lose sight of that. That's the most important thing

1:08:03 about your business. You're solving somebody's problem. No one's going to pay for a solution if it doesn't solve

1:08:09 their problem. So you want to look for a problem and you want to provide the solution for it. Then consider AI. How

1:08:16 can I leverage this to make the solution faster to market? How I can make it with

1:08:22 less friction on my customers? How can I how can I improve their experience

1:08:28 overall and you know and still provide a personal touch, right? Because we're all

1:08:33 tired of the IVR systems. You know what I mean? IVR where you touch one for this, touch two for that. Now we have to

1:08:38 speak it. But it's a very impersonal experience. And I think that I think that if we allow AI to become the new

1:08:47 IVR, I think those businesses won't do as well as as entrepreneurs have that

1:08:53 opportunity to be closer to their clients and provide them more tailored service. Using AI will enable them to

1:09:01 provide that service at a greater speed and and a greater accuracy and and and

1:09:07 that's what they should focus on. Don't lose sight of being a business person because you know I get sales guys who

1:09:14 call me all the time because of my title and I hold up fingers. Everyone jokes when I hold up fingers because I'm like

1:09:21 here's the first sentence. Here's the second sentence. Up there's AI because that's all they got to sell because they

1:09:28 don't know how to sell me a solution for my problem that they just all they do is blurt out AI and they're hoping to catch

1:09:34 companies that need to. So here's the other side of the coin, right? There's there's companies that need to implement

1:09:40 AI because they have a CEO says we need to be more efficient and we need to get

1:09:46 AI in here. He's he hasn't identified a problem to be solved. He just wants to put his flag on AI and most likely the

1:09:54 motivation is to increase efficiency or reduce staff. So that's your only motivation.

1:10:00 I think AI can help but it's not going to be a differentiator. Right? And this is where I think entrepreneurs should

1:10:08 use AI as a differentiator, not a cost cutter, because they're already

1:10:13 operating at, you know, usually maximum efficiency because they're small. They're, you know, they're kind of

1:10:18 scrappy, right? And they're not going to hire everyone for every single uh issue that they've they can't seem to solve.

1:10:26 So they'll that's when you use AI to your advantage and think about the

1:10:31 business, think about your clients, then think about AI. If you're thinking I need to get in the AI business, it's the

1:10:38 wrong way to go because you're not going to replace anthropic. You're not going to replace open AI, they've cornered

1:10:44 that market. You're going to use those tools to solve business problems for your clients. That's the way I look at

1:10:50 it. I mean, I'm sure there will be exceptions to my viewpoint, but I I

1:10:56 don't think it changes business. It changes how we operate as a business. Great, great point. you know, you were

1:11:02 talking about a little bit ago about um you don't really know how it's going to change the the the software developers,

1:11:09 you know, what's going to happen to to that job to that uh that that all those

1:11:16 people that that uh went to college, they they may have some new uh new directions to to to think about. So, but

1:11:25 let's add to this. What what do you see AI changing the role? You know I had

1:11:31 said my son had mentioned that you know companies are going to evolve our jobs are going to evolve over time. Um what

1:11:38 do you how do you see AI changing the role of software developers in the next few years? And uh I'm on my sixth fifth

1:11:47 straight uh show hour. So extend your your talk because I'm going to do

1:11:52 something I did when you first popped in. Okay. I got you. All right. All right. So AI for software developers. If I were

1:12:00 you, you know, I I give the same advice I gave, you know, decades ago to my

1:12:05 software developers that, you know, if if you're going to, you know, stay in technology, you're going to hit a

1:12:11 ceiling where you're not going to get any higher. So, I encourage them to get into management because they're the the

1:12:16 sky's the limit, right? There's only so much they're going to pay the smartest technical guy in the room. So, I I have

1:12:23 the similar advice for software developers. They need to get more into architecture.

1:12:28 uh they need to get more into management decision on how to shape a company through technology as opposed to

1:12:36 actually hammering out the code. So as you start out as a developer and as much as fun as software development is you

1:12:44 you want to eventually move up and you don't want to plateau. So you want to

1:12:49 get more involved with the business discussions and that that's where you lead into management. So management can

1:12:56 have an influence on how technology is used in a company. So that's that's the recommendation I have for you is start

1:13:03 to learn how to become more of an architect. Designing systems integrations is a big thing. How to get

1:13:08 systems that are are not the same talking to each other. That is a massive

1:13:14 market out there. There are some businesses that have crappy products and they're still thriving today because

1:13:20 they have a thousand integrations. They can make this system talk to that system. And that's essentially like a

1:13:26 system architect. Those are the kind of things you want to start focusing on because I think at some point in time I

1:13:33 don't think people are going to be asked to write code. Uh the other thing is you know I would bring back older languages.

1:13:40 Okay. Wait, what do you mean by that? Uh some people have been asked to write code. I don't No, I said I don't think people

1:13:47 are going to be asked to write code at some point in the future. I think they're going to trust the AI generator

1:13:52 better. I I've noticed in the last year how much it's improved. You know, when I

1:13:58 first started building with it, I used to have I used to be screaming at the computer. My

1:14:03 wife's like, "What are you screaming at?" I go, "This thing just screwed me." So, there's a thing called feature

1:14:09 drift. So, I'll put it in layman's terms. So, I want to build a car, right? And I tell it, "Build me a car. I want

1:14:16 four wheels, a steering wheel, four doors, you know, a windshield, a hood, and a trunk." Right? So, it builds the

1:14:22 car. And then I tell it, "Hey, you know what? I want power steering." And it puts in the power steering. You know, I

1:14:27 want leather seats. So, it puts in the leather seats. And then say, "Okay, I wanna I want to have a battery in a

1:14:33 trunk. Wait, where'd the trunk go? There's no trunk door here. What the hell? I just I asked for it to put a

1:14:40 trunk door. Put the trunk door back." That's called feature drift. So then you say, "Okay, I got the trunk back. So now

1:14:46 I want some, you know, tires with white walls." And then, "Hey, where's my steering wheel? Where'd it go?"

1:14:52 So it was really bad with that and it was you had to keep an eye on it. And so

1:14:58 I would tell I would tell the the generators to only focus on small areas

1:15:04 and then I would control what it would have access to so that I know it wasn't removing something because it would it

1:15:10 would I I think it would prioritize things. If you hadn't asked for a particular thing in your system, it

1:15:16 would remove it because it figured you you didn't ask for it. You must not value it. So it took it out and put

1:15:22 other things in that you were asking for it recently. That's called feature drift. Yeah. In the last year,

1:15:29 I've experienced that. I know now thinking back now I know what you I didn't know what it was at the time, but

1:15:35 actually got really frustrated. I spent four weeks on a feature.

1:15:40 It's like what the To find out that, you know, I went to demo it and it was gone. And I'm like,

1:15:45 "Oh my god, I better get this thing into a version system so I can make sure I can go back and get that code." And that

1:15:52 helped. But over time, you know, cuz I didn't trust it. So I would I would inspect

1:15:59 everything it generated. I would make sure nothing was missing. Uh I would have to regression test almost every

1:16:05 time it builds something. But in the last year, I've noticed that's been drifting away and there's been less and

1:16:11 less feature drift. So, I can see the trend over time that eventually I'll

1:16:17 have 100% trust in this thing. And I know that's that sounds risky, but if it's doing it this well now and it stays

1:16:24 on the same trajectory, I can imagine that it writes incredible code

1:16:30 five years from now. I I Yeah. And I to add to I I think on the same trajectory, nothing. I think

1:16:36 that trajectory is even coming up. I mean it's the the the the ability of

1:16:43 they they say that you know five years from now or maybe 10 years from now somewhere in there um AI is going to be

1:16:51 writing better AI than than humans you know it's going to be writing itself that's where a little concern also sits

1:16:58 but that's another conversation. Um, so yeah, I I could see like you said that

1:17:04 that example. What a great example you use because I could connect to the feature drift thing because I I've seen

1:17:11 it, been there, done that. David here, what what what is one business process

1:17:18 you should think that somebody should automate first? And God, this is a great

1:17:23 question because when it comes to automation and what I tell you before and my son at least explained it like

1:17:29 this to me, if you want it repeated time after time after time after time and

1:17:34 exactly correct, write an automation, right? That's exactly it. If if it's a

1:17:41 repetitive process and you can you can put it if you can write it in instructions, right? Then

1:17:48 you want to automate that. You know what this is? You know what? You know what uh automation is? It's

1:17:54 probably the very first uh Henry Ford um No, it's the it's the evolution.

1:18:01 Sorry, I said that backwards. It's the evolution of the very first Henry Ford assembly line, isn't it?

1:18:08 Yeah, it is. It's like that concept. It's kind of bizarre to think about that. Um but

1:18:14 what's the what's the first thing? What's the first thing somebody should automate? I think you know support is a

1:18:22 good one. Um support takes a long time. It requires a huge investment in

1:18:27 knowledge a knowledge base and you know when somebody leaves your company when you say a knowledge base in other

1:18:34 words potential things that could happen that are being supported by a support

1:18:39 team. Yeah. Or by an individual. Right. You know it's like you know Bob is the only

1:18:45 one who knows how that works and if Bob leaves we're screwed. Well, you might want to take a look at what Bob's doing

1:18:50 and try to automate some of that stuff because one day Bob's going to retire and you know, you're going to do a

1:18:56 knowledge transfer in what, two weeks? You're going to transfer a guy's lifetime knowledge of a particular

1:19:02 process that no one paid any attention to because Bob handled it quite well and

1:19:08 it wasn't exciting. It it wasn't an upward mobile career path for what Bob does. So, but when Bob leaves, you're

1:19:15 going to really find out really fast what he's done for the company. And sometimes they're missionritical, right?

1:19:21 Uh I remember I I consulted with this one company and they were shocked to

1:19:27 find out that literally hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars of every

1:19:32 single piece of merchandise they had went through this guy's spreadsheet. And

1:19:40 unbelievable. and it was the spreadsheet was an absolute mess and they had to automate that and it took months to

1:19:48 figure out how to automate it. Those are the things I would look for is missionritical things that that if they

1:19:55 you know these are the cogs that if they disappear you could be out of business quite literally because no one knows how

1:20:02 those functions work and these are the things that need to be sought out and automated first right so support is a

1:20:10 big one because you have a lot of people that have domain knowledge and and it's it's not a it's not an exciting job

1:20:17 right you're not going to it's hard to attract people to support or people maybe haven't even thought about it. You know, the Bob's been doing

1:20:24 it for so long. Um, oh Bob's gonna retire. When's he retiring? Next week. What? How are

1:20:32 you going to get that that that's that's a big one right there. You just don't think about it. It's not that it's not

1:20:37 even the not so exciting thing in the world to do. It's not upwardly mobile. It's just not in the SOPs.

1:20:44 Yeah. And and also maybe no one wants to do Bob's job. you know, how are you going to find someone to do that job,

1:20:50 right? You know, no one or to do more than what they're already doing.

1:20:55 Now, like in software development, no one no one uh went to software developing school to learn how to be a

1:21:02 support agent. So, we kind of made that the pathway in because we couldn't attract people who wanted to do

1:21:08 technical support. So, we'd say, "Hey, come in, learn the business, learn through technical support." It was a

1:21:14 great path too because you got exposure to clients to to customer issues to internal issues and you learn the

1:21:20 business before we threw you at the code that was going to be running the company so to speak, right?

1:21:26 Yeah. So, I mean that was a great way to bring people in and help them learn. But let me tell you, it wasn't glamorous, right?

1:21:32 No one was excited. They wanted the the software development job. They wanted the glamorous job. So if you can

1:21:39 automate some of that and then it pulls from a database that has all of your knowledge, you know, all the cases and

1:21:46 all that, that would really cut down on on jobs that people aren't excited to

1:21:51 have. It would increase your ability to service your customers, right? How many times you waited on a phone for an

1:21:58 answer? How many times have you talked to a guy goes, I I don't know. I got to get a senior guy to, you know, and

1:22:04 basically the senior guy, well, that's Bob. So you got to wait till Bob gets to

1:22:09 it. That's the kind of anticipation. He he'll get to it in probably a couple of weeks, right?

1:22:15 Yeah. And then, you know, if you could automate that stuff, right, and then you could reduce those jobs that really no

1:22:21 one is excited to take, you could shift that money and hire other real people to do things that are

1:22:27 really going to make a difference. And my last boss used to always say, you know, hey, I don't want to build

1:22:32 anything that doesn't bring value, right? He wasn't big on process. he wasn't big on on paperwork and all that.

1:22:39 So, you could take that money and and create value for your company instead of

1:22:45 having to hire a bunch of people that are pushing paper. Yeah, it just gives you so much more uh

1:22:50 leverage and options as well. Now, we we talked about this earlier. Um, can you expand on this a little bit because I I

1:22:57 almost didn't reask the question, but we've kind of already talked about this in in your application, your no coding

1:23:06 uh application. So, could somebody uh literally um with zero coding experience

1:23:12 and I already know the answer is yes, of course, realistically build a useful business application. Uh the reason I'm

1:23:20 only I'm adding this because again I'm a novice here when she's saying useful

1:23:26 business application. Um uh uh so I would need a business

1:23:32 application to create these databases, these uh uh Excel spreadsheets, these lines. Um

1:23:41 but if she's talking about building a business application, wouldn't your application just be that thing that

1:23:46 would create the application? Is that place that question? I think

1:23:52 the whole purpose the whole purpose of soft SoftEXIT studio is so you don't

1:23:57 have to build these internal applications so you can focus on your business and that's where that's where

1:24:03 you want your attention. You don't want to get in and start communicating. You remember you remember there was an IBM commercial that where there was a

1:24:10 guy in a boardroom and he's like okay the server's down. What's going on with the servers? Are the databases working

1:24:16 right? and he's going through all these technical lists and everyone says, "No, there's nothing like that to discuss."

1:24:22 And then they push a shirt in front of the guy and he goes, "What's this?" He goes, "Sir, that's what we do. We sell

1:24:28 shirts." Right? Because he's been so focused on technical issues supporting his business. He's lost focus of what

1:24:35 they actually do as a business, right? That's the whole purpose of SoftEXIT Studio. It's supposed to put that in

1:24:42 reach of smaller companies. It's an affordable solution. So they can have it

1:24:47 build the solutions for them. Now that question could be interpreted two ways. Can somebody take no no code and build a

1:24:54 business solution and sell it? That's a totally different beast. So that's what

1:25:00 we've done, but our expertise is doing that. And AI can replace some aspects of

1:25:06 that. It can replace some of the coders and and bring down your cost. But man

1:25:11 there is a whole bunch of challenges that come with running a software business. There is uh you have to deploy

1:25:18 it. You have to know how to deploy it. You have to know understand security. You have to be compliant. You have to um

1:25:25 you have to have insurance you know cyber security insurance so in case you get breached that you don't get sued

1:25:31 into eternity. You've got to you got to have um you got to have so many things

1:25:37 that come along with it. You got to have availability of resources cuz you go online, you're a 24 by7 company now.

1:25:43 That thing goes down at 3:00 in the morning. You don't have the luxury of sleeping till the morning. You're now married to that thing

1:25:50 and you have to support it constantly. So it's it's a greater burden. Now you

1:25:56 could write an app, right? If it the app doesn't require a backend or a database,

1:26:01 those you can churn out. But now you're also competing with two million apps per app store and you're going to be faced

1:26:07 with the same challenges of marketing and a marketing budget and making sure that you're creating the solution that

1:26:13 people can can use to solve a problem. So you're going to have all the same challenges of a regular business. So AI

1:26:21 lowers the barrier, lowers the bar, but it doesn't completely open up the gates.

1:26:26 It's not a manifest destiny of hey, this is the only thing that's been holding me back for a successful business.

1:26:34 Yeah. No, that that that makes that makes a lot of sense. And it it's funny to hear these back and forths. I mean,

1:26:41 we talked about the industrial revolution took this amount of time. This revolution's taken

1:26:47 God, it's just like momentum c catching up. But it it's interesting to hear the back and forth and in the new and the

1:26:54 old and a lot of things still hold true. Sound business, sound business

1:26:59 decisions, sound actions. Um, at the end of the day are are still things that are

1:27:06 absolutely true and and aren't going to change just because AI is doing something. there's that human

1:27:12 perspective that really needs to be that that guidance because AI is a it's a

1:27:18 database, right? It's a memory base. It's a it's it's not a creation event.

1:27:24 Why don't you read what Clayton has to read here? I got a couple of comments I'm going to have you read. Sure. He's uh he wrote, "Really enjoying

1:27:30 the live discussion. James brings a unique perspective." Yes, I have a unique perspective.

1:27:37 [laughter] I've worked um you know I've worked for a couple of very different types of companies.

1:27:42 Hold on before you go on down this road. One of the biggest unique uh things that

1:27:47 you bring is the incredible um AI the incredible technology

1:27:55 na knowledge base. But what's really also important and maybe equally

1:28:01 important is the communications abilities that you have. the ability to

1:28:06 communicate in a way that let's face it not all people the nerds you know

1:28:12 there's the term right the nerds there's a they're running the world but uh I I

1:28:19 really appreciate your communication abilities and putting this this conversation into his way so go ahead

1:28:24 with what you were saying but I think that's really a big thing that I wanted to bring up because I talked to a lot of

1:28:31 people and you communicate well my friend thank you uh well that's a first because I usually stumble on my words. So maybe

1:28:38 this live format is is more conversational and it's less rigid. So I think maybe that's why I'm loosening up.

1:28:44 Some of my earlier podcasts I wasn't even sure if I was answering the question right. But [laughter] so I appreciate that. And then when I watch

1:28:50 it, I'm like, "Oh my god, I really did terrible." But anyway, awesome, dude. Go ahead. I I have a diverse background. I think

1:28:57 that's my huge advantage, right? I started out as a programmer. I got into uh management because I was frustrated

1:29:03 with managers at that time. This is way back in do days when these guys didn't know a lot and I thought I could do

1:29:10 better because I had a technical background. Um I learned I learned that I didn't know how to manage. The first

1:29:16 year was terrible, right? You you put the nerd in charge of everything and he made things worse. And I was lucky

1:29:23 enough uh to get a job at Motorola where there was a guy named Pete Porton who

1:29:28 really took me under his wing and taught me about process and everything. He says, "James, you're a great you're you're a great technical guy. You're a

1:29:34 great lead. You got skills, but you can't manage." And he taught me how to manage. And and that's what made the

1:29:40 pivotal change for me. And then I But I'll tell you one thing, even though I've been managing, I've worked for some

1:29:46 very large companies as you put out, I'm still hands-on technical. I never

1:29:52 stopped coding. So, I've always maintained that technology perspective. I think I showed you this earlier. I'll

1:29:58 show your visual audience this. Here's here's my office with uh all my

1:30:04 Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to jump off while you do this little demo. I'm

1:30:09 listening. This is This is actually me live. Um those are old computers that I still

1:30:15 tinker around with because there's still some old concepts that people have let go that are still quite valuable. And if

1:30:21 anyone knows what those are, there's an Altter there. There is an IMSI. ISI was

1:30:26 the the game that or the machine that made War Games famous. These are really

1:30:31 old flip switching computers that uh run old command line only programs. Those

1:30:38 are wise terminals on top of there. If any of you are old enough to know what those are, those are all restored by me.

1:30:44 I I built these things from the component up. Uh there's an old Mac that I completely restored there. And then uh

1:30:51 then I have various other machines in the office. And you can see I'm a real tech nerd. There's my life-size

1:30:58 Mandalorian that I built with uh me and my son. We, you know, to bond we did

1:31:03 some cosplay stuff. So I've actually worn the Mando costume at some of these ComicCon uh places. And it's it's it's

1:31:10 really cool. And I guess I really relate with the tech people because I'm still kind of the nerd and uh I've always been

1:31:17 that way. But I also have a very strong background in management and process

1:31:23 that I have gained from these large companies. But I've never let go of you

1:31:28 know there we have a saying you can take the boy out of the lab but you can't take the lab out of the boy. Well I'm

1:31:34 still in the computer lab mentally and I still you know I still tinker around

1:31:39 with these old systems. Now, I have a upstairs I have a an incredibly modern system with with three 36-in monitors

1:31:46 and it's uh it's it's water cooled gaming system that I have. I mean, it's really advanced stuff, but I still like

1:31:54 to keep my hands on all these types of technologies. And my wife laughs. She goes, "You work all day on computers and

1:32:01 then you come home and you play on computers." I go, "This is a job I love." You know, and

1:32:07 there there's an old saying, if you if you love what you do when you work, you never work a day in your life. And I

1:32:13 don't believe I've ever worked a day in my life. [laughter] I've just been doing the things I love. And the and the future has got an

1:32:20 amazing because this isn't going anywhere but forward and the linear on

1:32:25 it. It's just a matter of what the angle is. It's this isn't even the stock market. This is this is this kind of

1:32:31 angle. I don't know which one. It's exponential. The exponential. Great word. I I've I've experienced a couple of

1:32:38 these curves in my life. You know, one was the the.com days. There was another the Y2K was a big thing for a niche

1:32:46 market, right? And uh there's been various exponential curves, but this one I'd say

1:32:53 is going to be the biggest impact and it's gonna beyond technology. It's going

1:32:59 to touch everything. It's it's it's not anything we can fathom at at this point.

1:33:06 It's just a matter of we're guessing. You know, we've got a flashlight in a very dark room. So, would you read what

1:33:12 Maria um Maria has here? We got a few couple more comments and I want to get get

1:33:19 these before uh before my uh my city council members start uh screaming at

1:33:24 us. Okay. Says, "Thanks for such informative and forwardthinking conversation. Thank you. I'm glad you find value in it. Um

1:33:32 I'm just enjoying talking here to Todd. So we're just, you know, kind of

1:33:37 shooting. Yeah. No, and and by the way, this is such an important topic and it's current. Uh we we should on other

1:33:45 subjects people want to come back. I I want to stay in conversation and definitely want to definitely have uh

1:33:50 people come back on to the show. Uh, this one I think we can do fairly quickly. Um, versus other shows that I

1:33:59 mean we're we're out into November. I think we've got one or two shows already

1:34:04 scheduled in December. But I I would like to do another show, a followup. I think we should stay in contact because

1:34:11 this is something we can do quite a bit of. Be happy to do. I think there's a lot to do here. Um,

1:34:17 Faz here. what what skills will become more valuable as AI handles more

1:34:22 technical work. You know, the the plumber isn't going to go away anytime soon. I don't think the electrician

1:34:29 isn't going to go away anytime. I mean, robots are going to change a lot of things, but that's further down the road. Uh I'm not talking about factory

1:34:35 work. I'm I'm talking about, you know, the the skilled labor. I I think those things are are are going to are

1:34:43 definitely, you know, look at the the value in those skill sets. people are still building and repairing homes. Um,

1:34:50 hey, you can they can go into the high demand business that I came from. Um,

1:34:55 which is, uh, incredible. It's a trucking industry. They're always they

1:35:00 always need drivers and it pays really well. And they're not going to replace, you know, trucks with self-driving

1:35:06 trucks anytime soon. I I And even if they do, the first truck the most about is trucks. Is that true? That's so

1:35:12 that's really true that that industry is because the paying is going up and all.

1:35:18 So you you agree with that? Yeah, they need drivers there. You know, I came from

1:35:23 all over they do. I came from one of the largest CDL trucking schools in the country. Um the

1:35:29 founder of that company is is is branched off and started another company called Sighteline CDL. Uh they're at

1:35:36 sightelinesc.com. You can start your career in four weeks. She can go from flipping hamburgers to making 90,000 a

1:35:42 year. That's that's a lifechanging experience. Um this this founder

1:35:48 Go ahead. And it's fun. You get to see the world. Like it's like the people used to join the military to see the world. I mean,

1:35:54 you could see the United States and and it's it's kind depends on your family situation, but I' I'd love to do that.

1:36:01 That'd be cool. Hey, it's a tough job. I I I'm not gonna I'm not going to try to kid anyone, but

1:36:07 it's a life-changing job because you can make a lot of money and really help

1:36:12 secure your family's future, right? You can go in as a truck driver after four weeks of education, make 80, $90,000,

1:36:20 put your kids through college, and they can go off and do, you know, dentistry or something like that, you know, and

1:36:26 you can change the trajectory of your entire family by doing that. It's not an easy job, though. I I've learned from uh

1:36:33 all my exposure to that. Um but it is a very good job and there's a future and

1:36:39 you know a lot of people throw out there, hey, you know, these self-driving trucks are going to replace everyone. I don't think so. And the first time one

1:36:46 of those trucks hits a school bus, that's the end of that. Oh yeah. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. That that's

1:36:52 definitely uh that's definitely I get people moving people around. Um, and I

1:36:57 think it'd do a better job than people. Uh, especially we have a there's a whole

1:37:02 people getting illegal licenses now and all that. So, that's another part of the story. But, um, yeah, it's interesting

1:37:10 you say that because I believe that. I think it'll eventually happen. For sure. It has to, but but at some point, I

1:37:16 think, uh, that that's way down the road. But Todd, they haven't thought it out, you know? I mean, picture this, okay?

1:37:23 Oh, we're saving money with the getting rid of the drivers. All right. So, you're going through a questionable

1:37:29 neighborhood and one guy stands in front of the trucks with his arm spread. The truck has to stop. So, the next guy has

1:37:35 got the bull cutter in the back and their TVs are going out the back. That's a great point.

1:37:40 They haven't thought of this. Yeah. And really, now that I think about it, how does self-driving

1:37:48 really compete? because your the basically the gas mileage that's your biggest expense. You know, maintenance

1:37:54 and gas and all that stuff. The driver itself is is an expense, but but you're not

1:38:01 really saving the bigger numbers just by putting a

1:38:06 self-driving thing in there. And your example, there's no way that the the car

1:38:13 can anywhere near make decisions that a that a human being can make. Uh, you know,

1:38:19 especially with that situation you just said, they got to they got to protect an inventory. You know why these guys don't

1:38:24 stay in hotels? They have to sleep in the back of the cab because they are responsible for what's in the truck.

1:38:31 Oh, never. So, you're going to park one of these somewhere while it charges and then

1:38:37 somebody comes with the bolt cutter again. [laughter] Good luck with that.

1:38:42 I like that. They're not thinking about the reality. They're going to implement all this and then they're going to say, "You know

1:38:48 what? We need somebody in the truck." Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense, man. I

1:38:54 never even thought about that. I mean, and they haven't either. Great. Great. Hey, by the way, I don't think I ever told you, you know, there's

1:39:01 542 people on Oh, great. on on the in the audience today. So, please subscribe and like the episode.

1:39:08 And um we do have a couple more questions here. So, before we get to the the big uh God, it's already five

1:39:15 o'clock. This this has got by really fast. I love it. Um what advice would

1:39:21 you give an entrepreneur? Is a great idea. Um but no technical team.

1:39:27 I would uh I would hire at least one one person who knows the technical space,

1:39:33 right? And that could be kind of your co-founder, so to speak. And I mean, if

1:39:39 you're going to go that route, there there's a lot of nuances that are going to be bubbled up by a person who has

1:39:47 experience, who's gone through, you know, it's a tech is a typical job. I

1:39:52 mean, it's very demanding. Yeah. And and you know, no one pays any attention to us till something goes

1:39:58 wrong and then everyone's screaming on the phone at us, right? And then we're trying to solve the problem while

1:40:03 getting yelled at. It's, you know, it we've got the battle scars to prove it.

1:40:08 And uh it it's challenging. It's fun. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world, but I'll I'll tell you, if you're

1:40:15 going to go into the if you're going to offer up technology as your core product, bring someone along who knows

1:40:22 the business. If you're just building something internally, you don't necessarily need

1:40:28 that because if it looks ugly or if it fails internally, your clients don't know about it. that's your problem, not

1:40:34 causing, you know, friction to your clients, then it's okay. Great point. Great point. So, I uh we

1:40:42 have we have about three more comments here. Uh before we do that, I take great great pride in my copy and paste skill

1:40:50 sets. So, I I want to get some feedback from you and say, have I done a good job

1:40:56 in copying and pasting your contact information here? Can you look at that?

1:41:01 Yeah, that looks that looks right. Do I pop? It should be it should be right. Either you can reach me there or you can you know

1:41:08 you can reach out directly to to SoftEXIT.com, right? It's two words softer xit.com

1:41:15 and uh I monitor all communications. So if you submit something, I'll see it. I I also have that uh that link in the

1:41:24 description to your your company. So they they can catch you there or on the LinkedIn as as we've got it here. And I

1:41:31 think if I remember right, I I think I had it on another one. Uh no, that was a

1:41:37 different thing. Anyway, um so we've got three more comments before you leave uh

1:41:43 leave your your your new fan base here. Your your uh you got a fan party. You

1:41:48 got a bunch of you got a bunch of uh That's great. What do they call them? Groupies. You

1:41:54 got some groupies following you around now. So before we do all that, uh let me

1:41:59 why don't I have you read these three comments unless another one pops up between now and then. Um read these

1:42:05 three comments and then comment on them. Read them out loud and comment on them and then we'll go right into your uh

1:42:12 your closing statement and then I'll wrap this puppy up in a bow and and send you to the green room and follow you

1:42:18 there. And you didn't touch the green uh green colored M&M's, did it? No, not

1:42:24 okay, Barbie. Okay, good. So, I'm safe. Okay. Thank you. So, um let's go here to

1:42:32 this comment. Ellen Silverman. Wow. Okay. Very, uh

1:42:38 very well put together young lady here. Uh why don't you start off and read this comment here?

1:42:43 Well, it says, "Thanks for this valuable conversation. I'm elated that you find value in it. I I really uh

1:42:50 Oh, I could I see that. I'm glad.

1:42:57 I love helping people. I love uh sharing ideas. You know, I sometimes uh my wife

1:43:04 accuses me. Well, she doesn't accuse me, but it implies that I like the sound of my own voice sometimes, but I said

1:43:10 that's all managers, you know. [laughter] Absolutely, 100%. But it's not necessarily all uh automation and AI

1:43:17 people. So your combination, your gift to go from God. Uh trust me, that's a

1:43:24 for sure thing. And remember I said earlier the real estate podcast. So this person's obviously stir here one of the

1:43:31 last questions or comments. Uh obviously this is a a real estate business. So why

1:43:37 don't you read his comment and uh you respond to them if you would. Sure. It says, "I appreciate the focus

1:43:43 on practical AI applications rather than hype." And that's what I'm all about.

1:43:48 Like uh you know if you looked at SoftEXIT Studio, we do not put AI in the

1:43:54 forefront. We're bringing value to companies by offering something that's easy to use. It's powerful and it's

1:44:01 inexpensive. And AI is a tool. It's not the product. And we're here to solve

1:44:08 people's problems, not invent solutions just because it has the letters AI on.

1:44:14 Yeah. Yeah. And and thank God you're not one of those folks during the gold rush

1:44:20 that just put something up that was flashy and uh could make some quick bucks and and we're one of the people

1:44:26 actually being the Levi Strausses of the world and and providing a you know a

1:44:31 good solid product that that's actually needed out there because there's going to be a lot of scammers. There's going

1:44:36 to there already is a lot of scammers. There's already the danger and and the

1:44:42 and the possibilities. So final comment here before you give your last comment and give everybody a big wave uh for the

1:44:49 day. Sure. So it says thanks for such an informative and forwardthinking

1:44:55 conversation. Uh thank you for uh tuning in and listening and really appreciate

1:45:01 your comments and uh hope you got something out of it. I know I did. I I enjoyed talking to Todd and uh

1:45:07 I did too. Yeah, it was great. Great conversation. All right. So, last comment, last what do

1:45:13 you want to leave everybody with is as far as uh leaving this conversation.

1:45:19 Obviously, one of the probably the more critical ones anybody could have, period. And that's just not hype. That's

1:45:26 I mean, we're at that time. So, what do you want to leave everybody with? Give a big wave. I'll wrap it up and come meet

1:45:33 you in the green room. Okay. So, I would say if you're an entrepreneur and there's never been a

1:45:38 better time to start a business. Um, if you want to leverage AI, I highly

1:45:43 encourage you to do so and get a handle on it. I I think you should not lose

1:45:49 sight of the focus that you need to run a business, not run an AI, you know, not try to get on the AI bandwagon, but use

1:45:56 it as a tool, not as as a product, right? And I think you'll have a huge

1:46:02 advantage if you're solving somebody's problem as opposed to creating a solution that has no problem. Nobody

1:46:08 buys those. You can watch any of these SAS YouTubers and they'll all tell you the same thing I'm telling you. So

1:46:14 that's the thing. And you know, if you are starting a business and you find yourself overwhelmed with spreadsheets

1:46:20 and paperwork, take a look at our product. SoftEXIT Studio is really easy to learn and it's just extremely

1:46:27 powerful and it's very inexpensive. We're offering uh actually right now it's kind of exciting. We're trying to

1:46:33 get people to sign up as early adapters and we're offering literally uh you know you talked about earlier that people are

1:46:39 in it for the money. We're not obviously because we're offering 50% off lifetime

1:46:45 licenses. In other words, if you sign up today, you'll get 50% off for as long as

1:46:51 you own uh a license on SoftEXIT.com. And that extends to when you expand.

1:46:58 We'll we'll give it those license. It's 50% off. We'll lock you in. And already the the current price is very

1:47:04 affordable. It's $14 a month per user. That's it. Compared to like Salesforce,

1:47:10 which starts at 25, and that's that's a very limited edition. You you almost

1:47:15 always get ushered into the $100 a month per user system before you can do anything useful.

1:47:21 Yeah. You you can't you can't do it. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. In my opinion, we've got a better

1:47:26 product to be honest. It's a better CRM. Oh, and I didn't even talk about the app store. We're building apps in this. And

1:47:33 it's not only a CRM. It's it's other things. And we're going to releasing them in our app store that you can

1:47:38 download every single app for free. So over time, you're going to get more value. We create an inventory system.

1:47:44 It's there. Download it. We create a, you know, a contract tracking system. It'll be there. Download it. It's free.

1:47:50 you can continuously expand your business applications without having to purchase five or six additional SASes

1:47:58 and so it's going to be incredible. It's gonna have high value uh for small businesses and that's our target. We we

1:48:06 think that you know smaller businesses are underserved and that's what we're here uh to provide this kind of

1:48:11 technology and make it available for everybody. That's awesome. That is awesome. Well, I I've been

1:48:16 looking forward and excited uh to do this show. Um, and now we have um, and

1:48:23 why don't you give everybody a big wave and I'll meet you in the in the green room. Keep your hands off those M&M's.

1:48:28 Okay. All right. Thanks. That was awesome, guys. I told you, you

1:48:34 know, I every once in a while I can I can just tell um that that this is going

1:48:39 to be a really good show. And and there were some there were some curiosities that I had of which direction this was

1:48:46 going to go because I don't know everything. I I do a lot of research when we do these shows, but you know

1:48:52 what? I just wanted I I I knew this was going to come out. This I knew this was going to be uh exactly what everybody

1:48:59 needed and wanted to hear in today's world. So, James, thank you. I mean,

1:49:04 because I think there's a I think there's something much larger underneath

1:49:10 everything that we talked about today. you know, um, for years we've heard that

1:49:17 technology we will de democratize opportunity.

1:49:23 Uh, sometimes it has and you know what, sometimes it it really it hasn't. Um,

1:49:29 but what we're watching with with artificial intelligence

1:49:34 may represent another major shift in who who we get access to the tools required

1:49:43 in building something. It's exciting, man. And that's what matters to me

1:49:50 because this show has always been about empowering the brave middle class one

1:49:56 conversation at a time. You know that when people hear artificial

1:50:01 intelligence, I don't want them automatically thinking that's that's for Silicone Ball

1:50:08 or I don't want my dog messing around in the background or or or that's for

1:50:15 programmers, right? Or or that's for billiondoll corporations.

1:50:21 I want people asking I want people asking a different question. What

1:50:27 problem do I understand that need do I have and and do I understand that needs

1:50:33 solving? Because maybe the maybe the entrepreneur of the future isn't necessarily the

1:50:42 person who knows how to write thousands of lines of code.

1:50:48 Maybe the it's the mechanic who who knows exactly what's broken

1:50:54 about managing his shop. Maybe maybe maybe it's about the nurse

1:51:00 who sees an inefficient process every single day.

1:51:05 Maybe it's the manufacturer, right? Who knows where the production

1:51:10 where that line gets bogged down. Maybe it's the the teacher, the farmer,

1:51:18 restaurant owner, the the truck driver. We're just talking about the truck driver, right? The salesperson, or the

1:51:25 kid sitting at the kitchen table who sees a problem, everybody else has just

1:51:32 finally learned how to tolerate it. Technology doesn't create that

1:51:39 understanding. People do. AI doesn't give you decades

1:51:45 of of experience, right? It doesn't give you the judgment. It doesn't

1:51:52 automatically give you courage and it it certainly doesn't guarantee

1:51:58 that that an idea is is a good one. But if technology continues lowering the

1:52:07 barrier between having a good idea and actually building it, then we're going

1:52:14 to have opportunities and questions that previous generations of

1:52:22 entrepreneurs, they never had. And James, I appreciate you coming here.

1:52:31 [clears throat] Damn dogs. Knock it off. Don't lay down. Stop it.

1:52:38 Sorry, they just went a little too far today because this is important. James, I appreciate you coming here and helping

1:52:47 us explore both sides of that future. to everybody watching uh live or or

1:52:54 catching us later in the conversation, don't ask yourself, right? What's AI

1:53:02 going to do to my job? Ask yourself,

1:53:07 what could I do with AI that I couldn't do before?

1:53:13 That's a very different question, right? And somewhere out there tonight,

1:53:18 somebody has an idea scribbled on a piece of paper, sitting in a notebook or

1:53:24 buried in a old computer file. You saw you saw James's old computer. Or maybe

1:53:31 just living in a teenager's head. Maybe the technology finally exists now to

1:53:37 help them build it. And maybe that's somebody is you.

1:53:44 I'm Rodd Duff alongside producer Barbie. Uh, and this has been Insights and

1:53:50 Straight Talk, empowering the great middle class one conversation at a time.

1:53:58 Sorry. Until our next conversation, stay curious, ask better questions, and don't

1:54:03 be afraid to build something.

1:54:09 You know what? With that, before you leave, if you'd like to watch

1:54:14 another one of the podcasts, click the first link in the description. We love having you here and we appreciate all

1:54:21 your support. And with that, producer Barbie and I are out.

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